When we bought our house it had a 16X32 in ground Spartan pool. It was put in around when the house was built in 1965 and had a new liner put in just before we bought the house in 1975 (liner lasted 10 years). In the winter of 1996 that liner split apart at the bottom and that summer we had a new liner put in (2nd liner lasted 21 years). In 2011 we lost most of the water in the pool during the winter. We solicited estimates to get a new liner and got estimates from Lipari pools and two other companies. The two other pool companies would not put in a liner unless we put in a whole new pool. At the time we opted to look for the leaks in the existing liner and just repair those. Stu at A&G pools came and for $290 found 3 small leaks and patched them. The pool again held water. This last winter (2013-14) the pool lost water again and the west side was leaning in (that can happen when there is no water)( 3rd Liner lasted 18yrs). Based on our experience in 2011 of getting estimates, we called Lipari in April and got a new estimate.
The contract was for $4255. which included: draining the pool, taking out the old liner, redoing the bottom, putting foam on the sides, installing a 28mil liner, putting on new face plates and gaskets, adding full liner lock, and starting up the pool. The new liner pattern could be selected from a wide range of patterns in a booklet supplied. The payment schedule was reasonable, $400. down, $1690. at contract signing and pool measurement, $1690 after installation, and $196 after the pool was up and running. Note: there was an
Angie's list discount factored in.
In addition Mr. Lipari warned me that there might be more expense if some of the side panels needed repair because of the age of the
pool. Repairs were to be steel plates over any of the steel sides that had problems. In addition the water table in our yard is often high so we were going to have to wait until a dry period to do the work. The start date was June 17.
Mr. Lipari came by the day before to drain the remaining water out of the pool. The cover was still on.
The day of the installation a 3 man team came and pulled off the cover, and started taking down the liner. The foam from the last installation was still in good shape however the top steel panel had rusted away on 3/4 of the west side of the pool (because the pavers on that side had been slanted toward the pool instead of away and the snow, water, etc. had collected there and caused the rust). Our pool hads cement on three sides and pavers on the side with the pipes so if there was a problem with the pipes they would be easy to dig up and fix.
Mr. Lipari ordered 3 steel plates which would cover the top of the west wall that was rusted. The steel was bent at a right angle at the top so 5 or so inches would go under the coping and the rest would hang inside the pool and replace the rusted out area.
The problem, which took up the rest of the day and part of another, was that the posts and top plate holding the coping on that side of
the pool had rusted and had to be replaced. Since the bolts holding the coping had also rusted they had to be cut off, which is a hard job since they are ½ inch steel bolts under the lip of the coping. Then the coping was taken off the rusted posts and top edge were cut off. Metal wall studs were then pounded down beside the remaining bottom part of the in ground posts and bolted together. A new top plate, also made of wall studs, was put on top and bolted down. This was made a little harder since some of the wall posts were tilted into the pool and had to be straightened. The pool was then covered again to wait for the steel plates to be delivered.
On June 23 the steel plates arrived and on the 24th the 3 man crew was back at work. First fastening the steel plates to the frame made earlier, and then fastening the coping to the steel plates and the frame. The coping was fastened by drilling through the coping and then through the steel plate and the steel frame. Then a carriage bolt was used to fasten it all together. This was a little disappointing to me since the end of the carriage bolt sat above the coping and thus the refurbished coping did not match the rest of the original coping. However, the pool is 49 years old, the original company had gone out of business and replacement parts could not be obtained. I could have had Lipari install all new coping but that would have cost a lot more. As it was, this extra work and the steel plates added $1500. to the overall cost.
Another item about the coping was that in taking it off, one piece had been badly bent and cut and could no longer be used. Because of other jobs he was doing, Lipari was able to get a piece coping which matched our pool to replace the bent piece.
Once the coping was on, installation of the new liner was quick. The three man crew was augmented by another 4 man crew and installation only took about 40 minutes. Because of the thickness of the edge of the new liner, there was not enough room in the coping slot for liner lock so that was not put in except at the corners. Then the three man crew mixed concrete and put it up against the outside of the new wall and around the new posts to keep water from rusting them out again. There is benefit in this, but it meant that the original pavers would now not fit under the coping as before and they will have to be about 3 inches higher and so I will have to regrade that side of the pool. Note: I had not included regrading as part of the original pool contract.
Overall the work was done in a professional manner, and they left a clean work area. They did leave some of the old steel they took out which I can sell. Mr. Lipari communicates well, always returning phone calls and emails in the same day.
Bottom line, if you are refurbishing a pool to save a lot of money ($4500. vs $20,000-$30,000) it is not going to look as good as a brand
new pool, especially if the original pool manufacturer in no longer in business and parts which are rusted out are not available. Finding someone who will work with you to do the refurbishing is often hard. Lipari will work with you and is willing to discuss options. Also because he has been in business for so long in this area, and handles many pools, he has resources to apply when the
unexpected happens.