
SmithCo Exteriors LLC
About us
SmithCo has been serving SW Missouri since 1983. We are members of the Chambers of Commerce in Springfield, Republic, Ozark and Nixa. We also belong to the Home Builders Association and the Better Business Bureau where we maintain an A+ rating. As an EPA Certified Lead Safe Renovator we make sure all compliance is met for your safety. Call us for a free estimate on your next project. Additional Contact name: Scott Smith.
Business highlights
Services we offer
Decks & Room Additions., Steel & Composite Siding. Install Vinyl Replacement Windows & Patio Doors. Custom Build Sun Rooms, Vinyl
Amenities
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Accepted Payment Methods
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THE PROJECT WAS STARTED AND COMPLETED IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER. I WAS CONTACTED BY THE OWNER AND/ OR THE JOB FOREMAN DAILY WHEN THE JOB WAS STARTED.
BEST OF ALL THERE WERE NO HIDDEN SURPRISES. THE CLEAN UP AFTER THE PROJECT WAS GREAT.
EVERYONE THAT WAS ON MY PROJECT, WAS EASY TO WORK WITH AND ALL OF MY EXPECTATIONS WERE MET.
Flooring Company name was provided, for which was used by owner. Excellent job with ceramic tile.
Additional insulation was added above ceiling tile, much appreciated.
Fireplace had to be vented out through roof. The company providing service was beyond professional. This provided me with a name for future use in need of fire-place service.
We also asked for the existing roof line be extended to cover the entire deck, and the extended roof be supported using decorative, fiberglass columns. The carpenter's excellent skills resulted in in a deck that was transformed from a warped, splintery wooden deck, to a beautiful new deck completely covered by an extended roof line. Vinyl railings were installed between the fiberglass columns, and a ceiling fan was also installed. New gutters and downspouts were added to handle the runoff from the deck roof.
The project took 6 weeks (some delay due to more rain than usual). But, we had the deck up and running for Memorial Day weekend, and are delighted with it all. The new columns add a touch of elegance, and the vinyl and Trex materials give us a deck that is very low maintenance. We are extremely pleased with the work, and the gentleman who did the work.
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"Thank you (removed member name). Yes, the weather was a bit challenging but the end product was beautiful."
I chose two siding styles which retained a bit of the 19th century charm of the current house and was told they would begin as soon as the special order I had chosen was in. The order came in and I was told they would start Monday. Monday came and went, as did the next five mondays, during which time i offered them the opportunity to bail out of the project if they so desired. No, no, we'll be there Monday they continued to assure me.
Finally a Monday came and they beqan. As far as I could tell things were going smoothly as I left town for a week. Upon my return they were near done, but the first thing i noticed was they had used the wrong accent siding on the eaves. I questioned them and was told that they had mis-ordered the accent material, but thought they would use it because i probably wouldn't notice or i would like it as well as what i had chosen,. i did notice, and i did not like it. there was a week of discussion and finally smithco said they would reorder. the reorder, of the correct siding arrived and was installed.
then the siding began to fall off and as i continued to work on the renovation i noticed several things which i questioned. several pieces of siding were only nailed on with two nails, which mad me wonder about the integrity of the installation when a strong wind came up. corner vertical strips were spliced, which i had never seen done on a house, that seemed to have been done to save them money as the correct pieces were costlier. as i worked on trimming out the house i noticed that corner horizontal pieces were done in three different styles, none of which seemed to match and all left large gaps for the entry of water, and as I was told by another contractor an appealing place for the nesting of bees and other bugs.The installation people seemed to range from pleasant to semi-comatose. their most common explanation was, "it's an old house." this being one of the reasons during the six week waiting for the start of the project, that i had offered several opportunities for them to bail out. what they said seemed logical, but didn't seem to match up with the finished product. One installer looked at me as if i were speaking a Croation dialect known only to deceased Latvians, as i attempted to discuss a large gap in a connection between two corner pieces which i felt was an open invitation for water to get behind the siding. finally after close to ten minutes he said, "i've been doing this for fifteen years and i know what i'm doing." I replied, "I understand, but what is this big gap which seems to be a perfect channel for water to get behind the siding?" he returned to his comatose state and said nothing else. i did notice later that he had heeded my suggestion and cut the trim so the water was diverted to the outside instead of the inside.
i am still not sure that the entire house had the required foam backing or that it is nailed properly. there are still areas where you can grab a piece of siding and flex it more than i think a nailed piece of siding should flex. i have not another contractor on the site who hasn't asked, "who did the siding?" When i tell them they have all answered that there are certainly some problem areas and we see this a lot with this company."
so it is a definite, i would never use, or recommend SmithCo for a siding job. i don't even feel comfortable rating them, since there is not a number negative enough for that rating.
The workers started on the project a bit sooner than expected due to delays on other projects. But the other projects eventually took priority and ours had to wait until later to finish. This was fine and we knew this going into it. They finished in Dec. 2012.
After the deck was finished, it at first appeared to be satisfactory on the surface. But closer inspection would reveal little things that were somewhat sloppily done. Examples would be the 6x6 upright beams were not installed at the same intervals. With a 40 ft deck, there were 5 upright posts. But the spacing varied between the posts by up to 2 inches. By glancing at it, they appeared the same spacing until a tape measure was put to it. And looking closer at the balusters, showed there was a different number and different end spacing in the three middle sections.
We also chose an optional arched cut under the top rail of the entire deck. They had no template or consistent guide to follow to make the crescent cut to the boards. The cuts were pretty much eyeballed so they have a slightly different curve on one end compared to the other end of the same board. It wouldn't have ended up even anyway since the upright posts were not the same distance apart. This left a slightly different straight section on the ends of each rail. Again, most people wouldn't notice it without looking closely. Looking at the deck from a distance, it doesn't stand out. Comparing each section to the section next to it makes it much more obvious.
Several of the balusters fell out of the holes drilled for them. The lower rails were often drilled too deeply or the balusters cut too short. This has happened often since the deck was completed and continues to this day. I will look out and see another baluster fallen out of the top rail. Board warpage has also caused this problem but I will address it in a bit. Smithco fixed some of the balusters but since it is a continuing problem, I started repairing them myself.
Not too long after completion, I noticed water leaking into a picture window in our basement under the deck during a rainstorm. Water was also running down the siding making the patio under the deck wet. Since the ceiling/gutter system covered this window, no water at all should have been on that outside wall, much less leaking into a window that had not leaked before the deck installation. Siding above the window had been removed to mount a 2x12 to the side of the house for the deck to attach. Improper sealing around this plank allowed water to leak in behind the siding and into the house around the window frame. Some of the vinyl trim where this plank was installed had also fallen off the house. I called Smithco and Scott sent the installer ( Billy) out to correct the water leak issue and the trim. Since that time, I have not noticed any water leaks at the window. There is still some water that gets through and runs down the outside siding on one end, but it usually is only when it rains hard. However, the trim piece has fallen off again, as did the one on the other side of the patio light. I repaired both myself and have not had any issues with them since.
The ceiling/gutter system wasn't chalked properly. When it rained, water leaked from the gutter seams and, on one end, from where the gutter and ceiling met. It was an easier task for me to seal the leaking seams myself than attempt to get someone out to repair another issue. Closer inspection showed the ceiling wasn't installed level. This is also indicated by the fact that one of the two downspouts carries about 90% of the water away from the patio. I don't see a simple fix to this without completely realigning the ceiling system, When the ceiling gets sufficient water in it, it will drain from the 2nd downspout. So far, it hasn't been a big problem. I am hoping there will not be long term erosion in my yard from this.
In June of 2013, we needed to have the deck stained and sealed. However, several of the boards were warping, splitting, and twisting. Some were pulling loose, leaving up to 1/4 inch gaps. I knew some repairs needed to be made before sealing. Since the deck was only 6 months old, I didn't think it should be looking like it was several years old already. So I again called Scott at the end of June and advised him of the problems.
Scott said they have been having problems with some wood doing that. He blamed it on the govt regulations removing arsenic from the pressure treatment. He said the wood needs to be sealed much sooner than it used to. He promised to have Billy come out and look at it. Time passed with no response so I called again at end of July. He said he thought Billy had come out. I advised I hadn't seen him. He promised to check into it. End of August and I called Scott again. He promised to send Billy out that week. A week and a half later, my wife had a dose of it and called Scott. Billy came out that next week and said it was the first time he was notified of it. Who are we to believe??????
Billy said multiple boards need replacing. And the 6x6 posts had twisted a bit, causing some of the problems. They were anchored in concrete and would be a major structural undertaking to replace. He would have to let Scott know of his findings. A week or so later Scott calls back advising he wants to get a mgr from Lowes out to look at it since that is where the wood was purchased.
Now it is October. I get a call from Scott for he and a Lowes rep to come look at the deck. They check it out and the Lowes rep wants to contact Georgia Pacific as they are the manufacturer. Scott also gives me a bid on sealing the deck. I tell him I will think about it as his price is substantially higher than the others I have gotten. Another month and it's November. Georgia Pacific agrees to pay for the replacement wood and labor. We set it up for the end of the month.
Smithco comes out on the Friday after Thanksgiving and replaces or repairs the boards I had marked. Mid afternoon, my wife asks if they are coming back to finish on Monday because they had just packed up and left. No one contacted me to confirm satisfaction with the job. So I went out to look at it.
Some of the balusters are installed crooked. And two of the arches they cut are rough and uneven-worse than the ones they replaced. One of the lower rails isn't even installed the same height as the other rails, nor is it level. They put braces on the end gate to try to correct the sag in it but it is still sagging. I am thinking, no wonder they took off without me inspecting it.
There was no way I would have them do the seal and stain after the high priced shoddy work I received. This on top of the fact their bid for sealing was over 2x what other
"In response to [member name removed]'s concerns: As mentioned we,and I think other contractors, have been having problems with premature drying of the new lumber products. We advised [member name removed] to quickly stain and preserve his deck which he failed to do and which has led to some of the problems mentioned. My installer has responded to make corrections. I met myself with Lowe's manager at the job site and he agreed most of the problems are product related and they kindly agreed to cover our labor and material to make proper corrections. Some of [member name removed]'s complaints are occurrences of wood exposed to the weather. Degrees of warping and contracting will occur. I strongly disagree with [member name removed]'s ratings, and would be happy for any third party to view the project and can only refer any prospective customer to our overwhelming positive reviews in all categories with Angie's List. As well, with permission to refer him, the manager of Lowe's South in Springfield, Kevin Rasmussen, who visited the project, said he would gladly discuss, with anyone who would like, [member name removed]'s deck. The project is in fact a nice one."
"Thank you (removed member name) for the opportunity to bid your job."
DO NOT USE THIS GUY! He told me they couldn't fix the front porch because it was done wrong and he wanted to rebuild the whole thing, to charge me even more money. THEIF! Missouri is full of theives!
"On (removed member name) job. Someone in her area had done a bad job on trying to make a screened room for her. She had us out to give here a new one. The proper way to have done this would have been to tie in to her existing roof. She did not want to spend the money to do this. It was then unattached and is presently unattached which creates a leaking problem. We have been out promptly to take care every concern she has had. She has shown satisfaction with our company up until the last complaint of rotted boards which had nothing to do with the work we performed. What SmithCo accomplished for (removed member name) is a significant improvement. She needs to tie the roof of her screened room into her existing roof as we have recommended. It it is unfortunate words as she has used here are allowed. We have spent 32 years doing it right and our record with the BBB and so many customers reflect that."
"Thank you (removed member name). If you need any other remodeling, please let us know."
They build decks to last is what he said. I waited several weeks after they finished to see if I would receive a call from Scott asking if I was satisfied. No call
There are lots of imperfections with the deck everything from saw marks and crooked cuts to split boards from screws.
There is even one railing on the pad that is loose, not anchored well at all.
I pointed out several things while they were building and received answers as if I were annoying them.
My wife and I feel like our job wasn't worth their time to do a good quality job. They took 2 weeks to build it and couldn't give us a quality product in the end. We only started with a deck but had many other projects that we wanted to do.
With the lack of interest in our satisfaction I can not recommend Smithco exteriors to any one.
You can not promise an A rated job and deliver a Low C product
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