The customer first contacted Hope Plumbing to give him an estimate on some miscellaneous plumbing issues. I spoke to the customer the first time he called and scheduled a time to look at some leaking steam lines. The repairs needed for the customer’s steam lines are not repairs that we offer. We advised the customer to contact a company that specialized in boiler heating systems and that we would not be able to help him. Our next call from the customer was in July when he called us because he had water coming out of the ceiling in a room below a bathroom. We dispatched a technician to do the job and when he arrived he found water coming through a plaster ceiling that had started falling apart and a bucket of water under the leak. After examining the situation, we found that the leak was manifesting under a 1920’s pedestal sink on the second floor. After examining the bathroom and finding no visible leaks on the second floor, we explained to the customer that the only way to continue to search for the leak was to cut the plaster ceiling. With the customer’s permission and because the ceiling was already damaged, we cut a hole in the ceiling. After cutting the hole, we found quite a bit of water in the ceiling. The customer’s home is in Meridian Kessler and was likely built in the 1920’s. The water lines for the fixtures in the bathroom are encased in the concrete floor of the bathroom. When we could not locate a leak from below the bathroom, we told the customer that we would need to cut out a few tiles below his pedestal sink in an effort to continue the search for the leak. Again, with the customer’s permission, we removed 4-6 tiles that are approximately 4inX4in. While inside of the wall, where we cut it open, was soaked full of water, we did not locate the source of the leak. We then dispatched a second technician to the job to help find the source of the customer’s leak. At that time, it was decided that we would return to remove more of the damaged plaster ceiling in an effort to find the leak. We returned to the home as scheduled. When Roger had arrived the leak had stopped. Roger told the customer that he wasn’t sure if cutting out more of the ceiling would help since the leak had stopped. The customer told Roger to go ahead and remove the ceiling so we could know for sure. Roger told him that he could remove more of the ceiling to get it ready for a person to repair and while doing so saved many of the original lathe boards used when installing a plaster ceiling. After the ceiling was removed, we searched for the source of the leak to no avail. At that point, we stopped working. While we do not know for certain where the leak was coming from because the customer will not allow us to cut open the wall any further, we can be certain that it was not a leaking roof or vent line as it was not raining and not had it been raining when we were at the customer’s house. (This can easily be verified by checking local weather records). As we have extensive experience with older homes in this neighborhood, we speculate that either one of the galvanized water lines encased in concrete sprung a leak and then sealed itself off as they sometimes do or that one of the lines for the customer’s boiler heat system sprung a leak and all of the water drained out of the system. The second and more likely possible source of the leak is a steam pipe. The customer’s home is currently equipped with a boiler style heating system. In fact, the customer has asked us to provide him a quote for replacing his boiler system because many of the steam lines are leaking. Boiler replacement and repair is not a service that we provide so the customer has contacted other service providers for a quote. He wants to have the system replaced because the steam lines have holes in them and are leaking. There are two steam heating units near the area where the leak was coming from. Our senior technician that was on site spoke with the customer about the possibility of having a leaking steam line. Since the leak has stopped, our senior technician (a licensed plumber with more than 30 years of experience in the Meridian Kessler area) believes that the leak must be coming from a steam line in the wall. I spoke with Chris Cunningham from Service Plus and he indicated to me that the customer asked Service Plus to provide a quote to repair some leaking steam lines, but that they declined to offer a quote to work with the customer. According to the customer there has not been any further leaking and it has rained numerous times since we were at the home. When we left, we instructed the member to use the bathroom as normal and keep an eye out for a leak. The next communication from the customer was a notice from Angie's List of the dispute that he had filed. Upon receiving the notice, I contacted the customer and we arranged a time for me and Andrew Vote to visit his home. ( I took Andrew with me because he is very knowledgeable about the tile that has been installed in the Meridian Kessler area. Andrew and I grew up in the Meridian Kessler neighborhood and it was our hope that the tile that has been removed was tile that is still available. Of the tile that was installed in the 1920’s, we have only been able to locate 3 or 4 places that carry tiles that match very closely what was originally installed.) Andrew and I arrived at the customer’s house to investigate his concern. Before going inside, I called the customer because there was a Service Plus (a top rated Angie's List service provider) truck in his driveway. I called the customer to verify that the technician from Service Plus was not there to participate in our discussion. (I have only mentioned the Service Plus truck and technician here as a way of laying the grounds for the comments on the boiler system below.) Upon being let in the home, I told the customer that it was nice to meet him and he replied that I “should hold off on that judgment.” We then followed the customer into the areas we worked on. The bathroom is original and this is a 1920’s house. We saw the ceiling where it had been cut open in search of a leak. There are plumbing lines for a toilet, a sink, and shower. As you can see in the attached pictures there are signs of leaking on the water lines, the drain lines, and around the areas where the pipes penetrate the floor. While we were investigating, the customer stated to me that our technician had “guaranteed” him that we would find the leak in the wall where we removed the tile. I have spoken with our technician and he ensures me that he never guaranteed we would find the leak and that he told the customer the next step in locating the leak would be to remove the tiles under the pedestal sink. While upstairs with the customer, he showed me a spot on the wall where a few tiles were cracked a few feet away from the pedestal sink. The customer claimed that we started to cut open the wall several feet away from where we removed the tiles under the sink and that he asked us to stop and that is why the tiles were not completely removed. This is simply not the case. There would have been no reason to remove tile several feet away from the pedestal sink. I have spoken with our technician, who we can all chat with if need be, and he has confirmed that this is not true and that he has no idea what the customer is referring to. The estimates that the customer has forwarded to me make no mention of these tiles. Upon speaking to the first technician that was there about the call and what happened while he was there, he told me that the customer had made some very strange remarks to him while he was in the home. The customer repeatedly attempted to engage with our technician about the verdict of the recent public court case involving George Zimmerman. Our technician did his best not to engage in the conversation. When the customer loudly expressed his opinion that “anyone who thinks George Zimmerman is innocent is a racist and a bigot.” Our technician went out to the truck to express his concerns to our office. Our technician was instructed to go back inside and ignore the customer’s remarks. I only bring up these remarks because of what happened as Andrew and I were speaking with the customer during our visit. As we were wrapping up our visit and discussing what was going to happen next, I told the customer several times that we would investigate to see if we could find tile and I said that I was not sure what I thought was fair. When I told the customer that I understood his frustration and while I was happy to try to resolve the situation, I explained that we received a call from him about fixing a plumbing leak, we came to his house and found water dripping from the ceiling and with his permission, we cut open the ceiling and then the wall in search of the leak, the customer put his head down and then replied with, “don’t tell me you understand my frustration, you are just here to resolve the issue and I can respect that.” He then said, “ but don’t tell me you understand my frustration- that is like Bill Clinton saying I feel your pain but he doesn’t. You are just like the former president and don’t give a *expletive* about the people either.” I then told the customer that I was going to leave and started to walk away. The customer then said, “of course you are.” I responded that I was “going to contact Angie's List and let them know that I was trying to resolve the situation when you because loud and started swearing at me.” The customer then said “I didn’t snap at you” to which I replied “Andrew heard you.” The customer then stated that “this is probably why you brought him along” conjecturing that he believes my reason for bringing Andrew Vote (owner of Vote Remodeling, an A rated Angie's List service provider) with me, was to have a witness. At that point Andrew and I walked away from a visibly upset customer. Not because I think the customer is entitled to anything from us, but because I am in business, because my time is valuable and because we aim to avoid any ill will in our community, I called the customer the day after meeting him at his home and made several offers in an effort to eliminate any further proceedings. We have offered to waive the charges for the time spent in his home looking for a leak that he called us out to find and then with his permission removed tile and plaster ceiling. After he said that was insufficient, I offered to buy the customer a vanity, sink, and faucet that could be used to replace the existing pedestal sink and cover the spot where a few tiles were removed. The customer then declined the offer. I asked him what he wanted us to do and he told me that he had already stated his opinion when he contacted Angie's List. I asked again and all he would tell me is that he wanted his tile restored to the way it was before. While I wish that was possible, I had already explained to the customer that upon further investigation, we do not think it is likely that we could find tile that matched his bathroom. We then spoke about Angie’s List and I asked him what he would do if Angie's List were to find that one of our proposed solutions was reasonable. The customer indicated that he did not care what Angie's List said and that he had only filed a claim with Angie's List so that if Angie's List agreed with him, he could use their findings as evidence when he takes us to court. He then stated that I should probably consider that if he and Hope Plumbing did not reach a resolution that our being kicked off of Angie's List and not being allowed to advertise with them would cost me more than just settling with him. The customer proceeded to tell me that if we go to court, it would cost me a bit more to hire a litigator and fight the case than it would be to settle with him. The customer then reminded me that he is an attorney even though he had already brought that to my attention several times as he did with the two Hope Plumbing technicians when they were in his home. As stated above, in an effort to minimize the loss of more of our time, minimize risk and ward against any unwanted ill will in the community where we make a living, we made the customer several offers in an attempt to remedy the situation and avoid his threats of court. We first offered to waive the charges for our time as well as purchase and install a new cabinet, sink and faucet to hide the spot where the tiles were. Our next offer was to waive our charges and write the customer a check for $750.00. We contend that with the customer’s permission and acknowledged understanding, we removed tiles in an effort to find the leak that he asked us to find. As for the plaster ceiling, we are unwilling to have it repaired as it was in need of repair, soaking wet when we arrived and the customer asked us to remove it. If you would like to verify any of this information with the technicians involved, Andrew Vote of Vote Remodeling or Chris Cunningham of Service Plus, please let me know and I can arrange a time for everyone to talk. Sincerely, Jack Hope Hope Plumbing